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PostSubject: The Dark Web - What Kind Of Criminals Would the Boys Be Today?   Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:08 pm

We were having a discussion about criminals on the internet last night and a friend who works in IT told me about the Dark Web.  It's a kind of internet 'Wild West' where criminals , terrorists and hit men operate and chat as openly as we do here.  Who knew?  They can cover their tracks so well that they can make it look as though they are anywhere in the world, channelling their searches through so many computers they are impossible to trace.
 
Once I got over the shock of this I started to look around and found the following links.  There's no way I'm going onto the Dark Web; that too scary for me, but I did want to find out more about it.
 
http://gcn.com/Articles/2005/05/13/The-Invisible-War-on-Terrorism.aspx?Page=1
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27830566
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/28/opinion/cyber-subterfuge.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
Then it struck me that if the boys were around today this is the world they would know about, especially Heyes, with his enquiring mind.  I can't see them as this type of criminal - maybe more like the type who get into the wrong crowd and then mend their ways and maybe helping the authorities with their specialist knowledge. 
 
Which got me to thinking, if the boys were around today, what do you think they'd be doing?
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PostSubject: Re: The Dark Web - What Kind Of Criminals Would the Boys Be Today?   Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:44 pm

A very interesting question, Cimarron.  It raises the nature versus nurture debate as to whether they are naturally criminal or fell into crime through circumstance.  It also makes us wonder whether those circumstances can be replicated in modern times.  If they fell in with the wrong crowd, with negligent or absent parents, I think it is possible. 

You raise an interesting point with the dark web, and comparing it to the Wild West is pretty accurate.  It is a new(ish) frontier and law enforcement and anti-terrorism experts do have a presence there, which is why so many of the users go to extreme lengths hide their identity and location.  It is possible to bounce the identity around the world by computer and IP, as well as hijack an innocent person's computer for nefarious purposes.  affraid Be careful what you open!  These same tactics are used by the people tracking them.

I have heard someone else say that if Heyes had been created in modern times he'd be involved in computers and be a conman from a show like 'Hustle.'  Who was that?  It's certainly an idea for an up to date version of Heyes and the Kid.   

I do like the idea that he'd be involved in helping law enforcement with skills, but I certainly can't think of Heyes as a computer geek or the Kid as a modern day hit man.  Maybe it becomes more real without the distance of time, but I don't want to think of either of them as the types using the dark web nowadays.  

I wonder what everyone else thinks?

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PostSubject: Re: The Dark Web - What Kind Of Criminals Would the Boys Be Today?   Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:01 am

I can see them falling into the criminal lifestyle through misadventure. No parents, raised in low-income/high crime rate type of environment. I don't think Heyes would have risen to the heights that he did in the 1880's simply because now-a days you have to be pretty cold-blooded to get to the top. I can see him and the Kid running their own show though, going after corporate America etc. Then being arrested and offered a deal; either do prison time or help out on the legal side. I can see the two of them with their short hair, five o'clock shadows and cool sunglasses making quite a splash at the local precinct.
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PostSubject: Re: The Dark Web - What Kind Of Criminals Would the Boys Be Today?   Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:25 pm

In today's world there are still enough reasons why two nice kids might turn to crime. I think a mixture of curiosity, temptation, opportunity, and need can lead many kids to shoplifting. And if there is no one there to teach them differently that could be the beginning of the slide into crime.

As for what type of criminals they could be - I can't see Heyes as a computer geek/hacker at all. After all, it was new technology that forced them into retirement. And we would never get a chance to see that blissful look on Heye's face while cracking a safe, lovingly touching it.
I am also not sure of them being conmen - unless they specialise in conning corporations.
Maybe they would still be bankrobbers, only the kind who do it with skill while the bank is closed, because I believe they still would try not to harm innocent bystanders.
But the first thing that came to my mind was high class art/antiquities theft. Not necessarily just on the wrong side of the law. Maybe they would offer their services to test security systems for museums or galleries, or retrieve stolen objects for the rightful owners. Or they could start working for insurance companies. Or maybe they would be offered a deal like Neal Caffrey in "White Collar" (a charming conman/burglar/thief/forger who got a deal from the FBI after being captured: he gets out of prison as long as he helps to capture other criminals, usually by using his old skills and connections). Come to think of it, Neal usually wears a black hat...
As for going after corporate America -  I could see them do it if there was enough money in it for them, not for ideological reasons.

I also can't see them using the dark web (much). After all, they had their moral code (e.g. not killing people or not robbing the passengers on the train) and a conscience. They help damsels in distress. That does not seem to fit the dark web.

As for how they would look. Hmmm.
I would miss the hat. But it would not fit in modern times. And another hat could never be "the" hat. And I guess chaps are out of the question as well. *sigh*
The Kid would have to be careful with his one glove, or he might get mistaken for an out-of-date Michael Jackson fan.
On the positive side: they could finally wear nice looking suits when they dress up. :-)
Granted, Pete's hair especially could use a little trim, but not too short - I love my HH hair moments.

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PostSubject: Re: The Dark Web - What Kind Of Criminals Would the Boys Be Today?   Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:14 am

Oooh, no chaps!  affraid  Stepha3nie has settled it for me.  The boys are not getting updated around here!

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PostSubject: Re: The Dark Web - What Kind Of Criminals Would the Boys Be Today?   Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:11 am

They could ride around on motorcycles and wear those kind of chaps. Wow, I just had an image; Heyes in sunglasses and tight shinny black chaps. Good morning world!
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PostSubject: Re: The Dark Web - What Kind Of Criminals Would the Boys Be Today?   Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:09 pm

Nurse!  She's gone on the rampage.  lol!

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PostSubject: Re: The Dark Web - What Kind Of Criminals Would the Boys Be Today?   Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:15 pm

I like the way you think, Keays. LOL, well since the consensus is that they can't move on to present day without their chaps (which I wholeheartedly agree with, btw!), the only option is to put them in charge of a criminal motorcycle gang with the unusual distinction of never hurting anyone. Complete with tattoos, sunglasses, and black leather, they can roam the west hitting convenience stores and truck stops, helping the occasional stranded motorist. All they need is a hideout inaccessible to the law, and we are good to go. Yup.  roll laugh

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PostSubject: Re: The Dark Web - What Kind Of Criminals Would the Boys Be Today?   Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:00 pm

Yes Javabee, I can see it - great thinking. Although I hope The Kid will improve his "riding" skills before starting up his Harley Davidson. Could become dangerous. And when you think of it some more, what kind of tattoo did you have in mind? 
And where.... heat ?

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PostSubject: Re: The Dark Web - What Kind Of Criminals Would the Boys Be Today?   Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:25 pm

I don't know, Niekx. It's already pretty warm here in Seattle today, so I may need to position their tattoos some other time, or I may suffer a heat stroke. Wow, this thread has gotten off track somehow. I blame Stepha3nie for mentioning chaps in the first place! Well done, Stepha3nie! clapping

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PostSubject: Re: The Dark Web - What Kind Of Criminals Would the Boys Be Today?   Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:36 am

Sorry - not   Twisted Evil 

I thought I had well hidden my most important point in my ramblings, but you sharp-eyed bunch spotted it of course.
I had also thought about mentioning motorbikes, but then I had this vision of them on high powered bikes with helmets and everything and I just thought NO!
No chaps, no hat and all that lovely hair (not to mention facial expressions) hidden under a helmet? Nononononono.

But Harleys and black leather chaps and tattoos...    Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: The Dark Web - What Kind Of Criminals Would the Boys Be Today?   Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:39 am

Sorry to distract you all from chaps and motorcycle leathers, but I read this article on the dark web and TOR, which I think is the best explanation I've read regarding the use of proxies and the navigation of the dark web. It also probably explains why poor Bluebelle got banned from another site for using a proxy without warning or conversation as her husband works in Fraud Investigation in Switzerland and they use the same systems as most law enforcement. It would look the same.  No I always knew you existed, Bluebelle!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28573625

It's interesting that Russia is offering a reward of $110,000; £65,000 for anyone who can expose the people who hide their identities in this way while sheltering Edward Snowden. They really want to find out who is investigating them, don't they?  
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